SPEAKER_01 0:00

You're going to hear a question that tells you in four seconds whether you have adopted AI or you've just been playing with it.

SPEAKER_03 0:07

Once you have created a new playing field around now what's possible, it's almost like we all got access to some steroids that's gonna help our game.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

The thing that's a little frustrating is that there's always another app, right? So you run into the problem and it's like, oh, we gotta download that app to fix this solution. Now you find yourself having like 20 subscriptions to get this job done.

SPEAKER_03 0:27

I don't care what you're doing, you're not gonna be able to quote unquote cheat the process of consistency and discipline.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

If you remove AI completely from your workflow right now, would anything change?

SPEAKER_00 0:39

I think authenticity can get in the way because you know anyone can use it, right? So it doesn't matter what your credentials, it doesn't matter what your agenda.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

But I've never been so ambitious in my life since AI came around. Meaning you think it's gonna save you time, but it's not. It makes me want to do a lot more work.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

I threw my backyard, went to the gym because I couldn't move, couldn't work out, was a computer that had access to chat GPT.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Part of the problem that's happening now is a lot of individuals who are losing their job because companies are condensing who they need.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Currency is reactive, it pays for the aftermath, compute is proactive, it modeled the thing before it happens. But I don't know if I would say compute replaces currency because somebody still owns compute. Forgive you all the compute in the world right now. What would you point these compute at that you can start for the community?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Sometimes in terms of people who have access to things like housing or whatever the case may be, but there is a system that is intentional about the limits of how far you can go.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Utterly, utterly fantastic, Dave. Yeah. Every memory got a meaning. Every meaning got a myth. Memoirs to millions. Alright, today's theme is about saving time is a myth. You can only spend it. We're gonna talk about AI today. So the majority of us are standing outside AI, artificial intelligence, not sure whether or not to walk in. We don't know how to use it and we don't trust it. Some of us have quietly decided it isn't for us. Today we are talking about AI and what it's actually means for the black nation. Uh, you're going to hear a question that tells you in four seconds whether you have adopted AI or you've just been playing with it. We're going to talk about why compute credit might matter more than currency. We're going to talk about going from the person a robot replaces to a person who owns the robot. And we are also going to talk about a speech millions of Africans shared that a machine wrote. And by the end, you're going to learn what happened to the people who start late. So the question that I have for my colleagues today, which is the incredible Dr. Manisha and Josh, but before we get into Josh, how you guys doing today? Good, good, man. We're rocking and rolling. Good. The voice sounds kind of quiet, man. You guys sound like you guys sound like you feel intimidated by this AI stuff we're going to talk about, man.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, man, from keeping it a buck. But we're going to get into it. Well, we're going to get into it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

This question I have: if you remove AI completely from your workflow right now, would anything change? That's the question for you and the folks that are listening. So we start with you, Josh. If you move AI completely from your workflow right now, would anything change? 100% yes. 100% yes. Yeah, 100%. Okay, doc, same question for you.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Same answer.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Same answer. Yes. Yeah. Okay, so let's get into it. Let's get into what would change. I want to know. So want to know what would change if you remove AI from your workflow right now. Start with Josh.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

To back up, so this question is layered. And so we can get into it because we got a long uh form medium to engage in this conversation. So I think what would change is what I deem as successful is being able to get a lot of things done and executed in a timely manner. Now there's a myth to this because once you have created a new playing field around now what's possible to what you can get things done, you know, you get this new leveled playing field that includes AI productivity now that helps. It's almost like, you know, we've been hit with the, you know, for lack of a better example, you know, we just we all got access to some steroids that's gonna help help our games. And the but the more people on steroids, GFB was right, right. I'm on my Barry Bonds right now. So the more people on a steroid, and everybody's got access to it and using it in whatever way they went. Now, again, it still does not replace discipline and consistency. That's something you can't you, I don't care what you're doing, you're not gonna be able to quote unquote cheat the process of consistency and discipline. Now, what are you being consistent about? What are you being disciplined about to help create or add new dynamics and changes and how to elevate whatever your brand, business, whatever you're building, AI comes in and can make short work of that. But everybody's now, and I use everybody loosely, I know there's still an audience of folks that don't trust it and all those things, but it just reminds me of when the internet came out and people were thinking, well, the libraries are gone. You know, the internet is not the complete solution in and of itself. AI is not the complete solution in and of itself, but using it as a tool and a tool that comes with discipline and consistency with proper education, how do you use it? How do you how what can you use to benefit from it? To me, that has created a leveled up playing field. And those that don't use it, they have their reasons, and they might not be able to get the output they might be looking for in a more efficient way, and that's totally up to them. And for those that want to swing more home runs, hit me, hit me up with that syringe and give me a little steroid going, and I'm gonna go ahead and amplify my results. But that's that's what's coming up for me as you ask that question. So I'm gonna be quiet and I need to hear from the doc because I know she's getting ready to lean in on us. I know, but before the doc lean, I want to because I want I want to share because you keep bringing the heat and keep bringing the heat back to me, brother.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Yeah, no, no, no. But but but here's but here's here's the thing, though, because this is this is my my experience so far. I should have bigger ambitions, right? I have we all got massive ambition, most of us that are listening to this. But I've never been so ambitious in my life since AI came around. Meaning, right? You think it's gonna save you time, but it's not, it makes me want to do a lot more work. So I find myself doing a lot more things that are that that was on the that was on my my my list of things to do, but it was too intimidating, right? Because I didn't have the right people, I didn't write resources, but now with this in in place, I'm like, wait a minute, I'm up all night working on these big ambitions, right? Because I'm trying to maximize my credit. But anyway, so I'm going, I'm going to the doc right now. And what was the last thing you've tried to do with AI that failed since you've been using AI?

SPEAKER_00 6:53

The last thing I tried to do with AI that failed, I ran out of credits. Um I mean, I think it's always evolving, right? So I think the thing that's a little frustrating is that there's always another app, right? So you run into a problem and it's like, oh, they gotta download that app to fix this solution. And you find yourself having like 20 subscriptions to get this job done. I think that's that's probably my biggest frustration with I wouldn't necessarily say it's a problem that can't be solved, but to solve it, I it usually means you're being introduced to another app, another system. And I think then you have to learn how to use that system and be proficient at it for it to you know get the best results. So I think that's my only frustrations in terms of you know, it's not I don't really call it a failure. I just feel like it's more so it slows you down a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

That's what happened when you start a little late. Because no, I'm I'm gonna give you up late? No, no, no, not say late, late, are you are you being a little hesitant, right? I wouldn't say you are, but but I learned that initially when I first started.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

I hear the strays though. I hear the shots you come here.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

But but but that's I understand because sometimes when you ask the agents or the AI to do certain things, you might recommend another thing. But if you press it, say, no, I don't want to do that. I want you to figure this thing out, right? You figure it out. Don't tell me to go get this other app. You know, like okay, okay, Asher, you we can do this, right? Sometimes I run into that same situation for using it. But sometimes if you're a rookie at using it, then different things shows up. But if you get get into it and put all your heart into it, then it gives you different results. So it's all about using it. And I'm talking about compounding now because we we we sometimes forget about how things compound when you start early versus when you start late, right? If you start using the skills now, it's compounds over time, the more you use it, the better you get at it. So, question for you, Josh What part you still don't trust about AI? Because you allude to that as far as saying AI can't do certain things, which means that you don't trust that thing you think it can be.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

Yeah, when I hear a question like that, when it's related to a invention, something that is human-made, it's about more of the what should I be concerned about from who benefits from this from a human standpoint? It's not really AI. So, for example, because with or without the invention of the credit card, people were finding ways to be to to do fraud. And it looked like stealing money from a bank or disguising themselves as someone else whose money it was owed, and so it's like, hey, great guys, we're gonna move from this cash society and we're gonna start going digital. Here's a car that has everything you need. Now that creates a convenience, but it also created a pain point, which is now the criminal mind, if you will, or the mind that's looking for loopholes, is like, oh, we can do this, we can do that. Then the card, it physical card, now we're gonna add a chip to it because this is gonna cut down on fraud and how people are manipulating the credit card and you're right. So it keeps going. No matter what we invent, there's always a movie that's waiting to be made about how to turn this into a means for the alternative, which is taking something from somebody, stealing something from somebody, regardless of what the reason is, that crowd is always there. So you do so then you think about well, how does that apply to the internet? Well, I think we all know every article you read on the internet is not true. But people suspend their judgment and their critical thinking because I saw it on the internet. It's it's in front form, right? I think you know, you're it and this has been here, your national geo, your national inquirer magazines, your TMZs, like the the rumor meal, right? Just because it's in print or you know, documented somewhere doesn't necessarily make it true, right? And so I think that same critical thinking has to apply to this beautiful, great, and very dangerous invention. And so we have to be socially responsible with how we lean into that. So it's more of the, you know, as we come to a consensus around what does this mean? What does it mean for our society, how do we use it responsibly? That question is always going to continue to evade us. Because I think, like you said, the minute we hit, oh, here's a change, here's another loophole that's been created to offset the thing we're trying to address, and all of a sudden, here comes another loophole or you know, uh something within the system that creates a new concern. And so um, it all comes down to me for humans and how we work together to solve our problems and do it in a way that is responsible and um and considers, you know, the dangers that could that could come out of using uh our technology. But at the end of the day, you gotta you know, you gotta figure that out for yourself too. Um, so that that would be my answer to that question, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

I know I I appreciate it. And I think that Doc will same question for you because we're talking about the trust piece here and your community. Talk speaking to the black nation because I thought about the black nation as an as a topic because of because Dr. Renese, he's so passionate about solving the problem for the black nation. But what do you think the trust piece with about using AI?

SPEAKER_00 11:53

I think authenticity can can get in the way because you know, uh anyone can can use it, right? So it doesn't matter what your credentials, it doesn't matter what your uh agenda might be. You put certain things in and you can share it as an expert. There's so many different things that can be uh deceived, right? There's a people can use it for deception. So you could think you're talking to one person, but you're really talking to someone else. And so I think there is a level of authenticity that is lost in some of our AI products, right? I think it can be used to aid uh things that are being done, but by whom, right? I think becomes the question. Right. So now if as you can see, we're flooded with information by different individuals who are charismatic, popular, you know, you don't necessarily know what their degrees are if they have one, right? And I'm not saying that individuals can't be genuine just because they don't have the same educational backgrounds, but I just think that becomes an issue where people could be misled, right? And I think people lose the reciprocity in terms of relational and how to communicate and how to do things. I think the younger generation has demonstrated that in terms of how they socialize or don't. So I think there Josh said it well in terms of we're coming up on a time where other issues will arise and then we have to see how we can resolve it. A human-made AI, right? But I don't know that AI can solve all human problems. So I think we have to be very mindful of that.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

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SPEAKER_03 14:13

Yeah, you know, this one, this actually hits home a bit. It's funny because when I started out as a coach, there was this, I was being told, and this was years ago, and years ago, meaning like five years ago. You know, AI wasn't what it is today. I mean, there's been rapid, rapid um improvements made in that space. But I remember the first thing I was giving advice was like, hey, get an email out to your your audience once a week. And I'm telling you that, and I'm not a writer like that. So that was a pain point. It was like, man, can I just talk to somebody? Can I go and record myself? And you know, Instagram was starting to like promote that, but it was still, you know, very picture heavy at the time. And so I just remember how daunting I felt that task was just to get an email out every week. I'm like, what am I talking about? You know, I sit there and I ask my wife, hey, edit this, and then I get it back. So I'm waiting for her at work to edit the thing. And then there was this app called Grammarly that came out, and I was like, Oh, it can fix my, you know, a little bit deeper than the spell check. It can, you know, like suggest better grammar. And oh, this is what you're trying to say, right? Again, a component of AI was starting to come. So now it's like that you can build a whole system that just send the emails in order on autopilot and not even have to think about it anymore. So now that capacity frees you up to do other things. Like if we were just stopping at, and I think sometimes we run into this problem. I'm comparing what I used to do to now that I have AI to free up my time. But what to you said it earlier, all that comes with that because of our human condition, is we find more things to do to fill up our time when the whole purpose was the whole myth, right? Was to free up your time. Well, if I was able to do all of this inspect, don't talk to a high achiever and an overfunctioner or somebody that's trying to win and hustler and all that, don't add that to it because you're getting ready to be busy all the time. And I am literally experiencing that right now. I'll use the listing roots as an example. I threw my back out. I had and I couldn't move. This is a little bit of the origin story that you're gonna uh film on Netflix for me when I get to that level. But I threw my back out, I threw my back out, went to the gym, threw my back out, and I all I had because I couldn't move, couldn't work out, was a computer that had access to Chat GPT. And now I got just full attention to the robot and Joshua. Let me pull some of these things I've been thinking about when it comes to building this experience before I even had language for it. And I use the robot to help like pressure test some things. I'm like, well, what's this particular business's business model? As best as you can understand it. What was five years ago? Like, what were you gonna get at? You would just be guessing. Or like hopefully you met the business owner and da-da-da-da-da, and they shared it with you. But now you're in a you're in a position now where information, inf the information we're able to retrieve, again, you gotta still filter it. But however, you're able to get a lot closer to information and it's not as guarded, it's not the gatekeeper has been reduced dramatically. So now it's like, well, I think I could build this thing out. And I tell my people all the time if you are an elder millennial and you grew up without the technology, you've grown up with the technology, and now you have this robot, you're in a perfect position to take anything here because you understand what critical thinking is about, hopefully, and you can apply that same logic to using this robot or these robots that have come out to help speed up how quickly we're able to get information and turn it into action. If you're still sitting there like, oh my god, I can't do my idea because of what? Because those those reasons that you're telling yourself are like excuses at a high level, especially in today's environment. So, anyway, that's those are my thoughts on on that. I but I think the elder millennials in like the the prime position, maybe because I'm an elder millennial and I want to make sure I everybody know what but we we are though, we are we we get this, we really get this this interesting seat based on just the time we've been born with and without it. And it's like, ooh, well, damn, I would have done this years ago. If but also the benefit of years ago is you were able to wrestle with things without it, and it is created a part of your ability to do what what information is relevant and not. So, anyway, that's that's my two cents on that.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

It is interesting that Josh just snuck the word elderly in for the millennial, as if as if that gives me a elder millennial. Elder millennial, yeah. Okay, doc, doc, same question for you. I would love to know what is that thing that you wanted to give birth to, but but now because of AI, like you can do it.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Even if I've given birth to it, yeah, I think it's brewing, but I will say, as a single mom, right, it has given me the ability to to do more, way more, right? Like even being able to write a book and the time frame that I have been able to, right? I think it's always been something I wanted to do, but would I've been able to complete it by now if I didn't have those tools, probably not. I used to hear this all the time like there's a lot of talent in the grave, you know, people die and never live out their their purpose or their dreams. And you know, we get distracted. There's so many different things that come up. And I think Josh, again, you said it well in terms of the accessibility of information and how we were getting that before. There were there still are, but even more so gatekeepers to give information where it's like you have to pay to get this, right? You have to pay to sit in a room and talk to this person. And it it definitely has drastically reduced it, but also the assistance, right? You know, autopilot being able to send emails and get tasks done and giving you the ability. So I could be making dinner and and helping with homework and I got emails being sent. You know, it's almost like that residual income. Right? These things are happening, these things are getting done. So you're getting paid in your sleep per se. So you're getting clients in your sleep, you're getting information, you know, within your sleep. So I think that has drastically helped entrepreneurs in particular, in a sense of getting things done and not having to find the right people all the time. That's not always easy. Pay the people, right? You know, you're able to bounce off ideas and helps you process a lot of things, like things that you didn't even think of. It's like, oh my goodness, yes, that makes sense, right? So it's been very helpful in a sense of bringing ideas to life. But I do think there is something to be said about where those ideas come from and how they originate in terms of who you are, what you experience, and the questions you ask this robot to even bring it to life, if that makes sense, right? It's not like you just sit in front of my hey, tell me what I can do to make money, right? You definitely have to have it some type of original idea that you need to give birth to and allow this to help you bring it to life. So I think there's a few things that it has helped me do, but there's definitely I have a I have a list of things that will be given. I'm gonna have a whole village by the time you know we get to 2027. So it's been a beautiful thing for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Here's something interesting that both of you guys plugged on is the email thing, even that trivial question to tell us what I gotta do to make some money. Hmm, I might just ask a damn thing that, right? And you never know because because here's no, because right now I didn't have to let us um assign up and talk about the AGIs here, right? General intelligence is here. Let's say they have made it there, right? But now, if the general intelligence can do a lot of things that we thought we couldn't do, but now we have the smart people to do it, then maybe just asking it. Hey, tell me how I can make some money. You never know what it might come up with, but what's what why not try to experiment, right? If you're enjoying this podcast right now, I've launched a platform, MemoSemillions.com, where I help authors, former authors, or people that want to be authors, write their book, publish their book, format their book, edit their book. It's a whole one-stop shop for your book journey. So go there to memosmillion.com and check it out and see you on the inside. So here is another piece I want to chat about a little bit. And you guys probably the currency reaction, right? So currency is reactive, it pays for the aftermath. Compute is proactive, it model the thing before it happens. And if a community lacks access to doctors, lawyers, or engineers, compute doesn't wait for the shortage to resolve. One person can deploy a full room of expert level agents and go to work. So money is tied to banks and political whims. Compute is raw processing power, an asset nobody can free. So I want to go back to the idea around using looking at before we used to we were restricted on I don't have the money, I don't have the smart people, but now I do. Because recently I've been, I'm telling you when GP6 launched, because I've been working on my my my platform and I've been coding and billing stuff and I've been running into a lot of friction, couldn't go through it, but then it's the new the new model came out and I hit it. I'm like, bum, it makes it to the next level. So I'm like, oh, it starts solving the problem. So the question now is if you have the mo if you have the compute and compute is more is is now better than currency because compute can do something, right? Because know you gotta get the money, find the people. The compute is the people and the and the currency in one, right? So now with that with that processing power, what it what can you do? Like what what in your your idea box that you would love to put out there in the world and try to solve? I'm gonna go back to you, Dr. Ranisha.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

But I do think, and I don't know if this is a question I could pose, I do feel as though, you know, that's part of part of the problem that's happening now. There's a lot of individuals who are losing their job because, you know, companies are condensing who they need, right? So I don't necessarily need an administrator or a secretarial individual if I have automated emails being sent or have an AI agent answering a phone, which I still can't stand. I don't know if I'm gonna ever get used to that one. I that drives me crazy and tell me what your problem is. Like I want to speak to a person, zero, please, zero, right? So I feel like we are also taking jobs from individuals who need to get out the house, individuals who, you know, they maybe retire, just want something simple to do. Those jobs, those simple jobs are now being a simple solution through AI. So I think it's a catch-22 in terms of what's happening on an economical level in terms of how that's being done. So I don't, and I think I straight away from your your question, but I just wanted to add that feedback.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

Okay. What are your thoughts, Josh? I think I want to I want to push this a little bit. I'm reminded of this scene in the Incredibles, the Disney movie, where it's like if everybody's a superhero, nobody's a superhero. And I think where I want to push a little more is because I agree that compute gives you access to capabilities that you know require money and people. I thought that was an appropriate place for the doc to hone in on because that's where I went as well. But I don't know if it if I would say compute replaces currency, because somebody still owns compute and someone owns the data center, someone knows the uh owns the chips, the model, the you know, who sets the price, and someone can change those terms. So I think describing, I think what you're describing is incredible leverage, but I don't know that that leverage and sovereignty are the same thing. Because if I'm renting it renting intelligence from somebody else, yeah, I'm more powerful than I was before, but am I am I sovereign? You know, and so that's the part I'm wrestling with because that is still, no matter like our structure is still meant for someone to, you know, it's the buying and selling of goods, right? So who's the power player that has the ownership over the thing that we all want to enhance our superhero ability? So now we've just upgraded the things that we're paying for, right? Now we're paying for this, you know, the movie they're talking about. This you see the movie her, you know, the where they're buying these. There's all kind of these movies, like where you buy this AI robot, and again, well, now it's a luxury to have this robot that looks very human in your house, and then there's all these, you know, these blind spots that come with relying on, you know, the and I think iRobot was one of the first movies that I was like, oh damn, the the future's gonna be kind of like that. And in some ways, it's you know, without the responsibility of like leaning into that. My whole point on it is that I'm making is because it's still owned by someone, it limits how free we are to still how sovereign we are. Because what I'm seeing is all the robot is doing is keeping us busy making money for other people.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Okay, so let me go let me counter that a little bit. Okay. I'm gonna counter sovereignty a little bit because I thought about the sovereign piece and I was big on the sovereign piece a bit. But then I think about is sovereignty a myth too? Because Asher can say sovereign, but I ain't sovereign from the tree. What I breathe out, the tree breathing, what the tree breather that I breathe in. So me and the tree are interconnected. Like I need the tree, the tree needs me. So then we're saying with the data center and all the other places they're building. First off, I probably could start off with their model, and then I could find a way to distill that down and create something for myself from using that intelligence. Just like we we we we go to school to learn from the professor, we distill information and we create something from their ideas, right? So distillation can happen because our access to the intelligence. So we can build our own data center in the future as well. But we can see what they're doing, take their same intelligence, go use that, go build something of our own. But would it still be sovereign? It won't, because it's still dependency on something. I think sovereignty is something I would challenge because I don't think it's really exists the way we think it exists, because we need the other thing. So those are my thoughts. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_03 28:04

I think the heart of the question that we're still asking is what is AI helping us do? No judgment, the human condition. We know we're curious beings. We, you know, we don't mind a good power dynamic, we don't mind having people among us live without so others can live with. We put people in categories, it's a way for us to quickly judge things, label things, to make sense of what's the path of least resistance to get the maximum outcome. That's very much human. And so I don't necessarily think that's gonna change. I think uh I know what you're saying. I mean, even in sovereignty might even be, I think you're pushing me to think about like these words we use around just freedom and sovereignty. And you know, it how possible is that because we're all very much addicted to or held in the system of how we choose to live. I think we're all like, I think, I don't know. I think we're I'm gonna go back to the Lindsay Clancy story, just real quick, just to just to mirror something. One of the comments we said our last podcast is how layered, like we are humans also want to quickly make sense of things quickly. So it's like she's a monster, she's actually not a monster, it's always extremes. That's why polarizing posts and conversations always get our attention. Social media is built on showing up whether it's somebody that's super beautiful or someone that is super unattractive. They both go viral. I saw this ugly thing happen, I saw this beautiful thing happen, but these extremes drive us. And so we have to sit with well, what is AI going to do to help be a remedy for understanding more of the patterns that that come along with being human and try to think through on a larger level, how can we use our system in a way that creates more opportunity for people to have more access to the things that we that we gatekeep, right? And just as much as we have access to try to create a different reality for people today, the same powers that be also have access, and sometimes they own these data centers, and it's all a part of a larger way to get humans to behave and rely on something that still impedes our progress, right? It's just a swap out the thing for more of this thing that's gonna make your life more convenient, and we start to you know get rid of our our own, you know, critical thinking faculty. So you got me thinking about that. I think that um, yeah, I'll stop there. I think that you got me thinking about how what is sovereignty even mean when you connect it to this larger ecosystem of how we behave in general, and um that's the fight.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yeah, let's hear from the doc. What you what you're thinking over there, doc? I see you got your head going. What do you what's what's put what's rolling over there?

SPEAKER_00 30:50

I tried to stay away from the case. I feel like it's it's it's just haunting us at this point. But I I I mean uh you bring up a good point. I sure I do think though, everything is hosted by something. Right. So even if you gain more power, leadership, access, less dependency on the other thing, some aspect of whatever you have is hosted by something, is my thought, right? Like, so to your point, you create a data center. Where is it gonna be held? Where's it gonna be like what what space would it keep? Who's gonna keep that space? It's online who's the host. You get what I mean? You're gonna still be uh accounted by something that is hosting your stuff. It has some other regulation or cost or fee, even though you created majority of it, I think it's still gonna be hosted by something. Um and I think humans effort is to have full control, right? And and I think that that that I'm trying to find my question because I had a question, right? Josh kind of brought it to our morals and humanity. So I'm gonna blame him for blame Josh. But my question is around do you think like what do you do you think humans would do good without biblical or religious principle? However you want to use it. I know sometimes those two get like a strain. But if we didn't have either of the two, how do you think human nature would be? Like how, like what would what would keep us what principle would we follow? What morals? Who would determine what's right, what's wrong? Who would determine that?

SPEAKER_03 32:30

And that might have been a question for Asher. So let me let me just jump in, Josh.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Go ahead, do your thing. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

I think we can get a real strong picture of that based on just the development of human belief systems. It just now we have, and I'm gonna I'm not not disrespecting anybody's faith or belief system, even that, right? The Bible is a human invention. Now, that can be a polarizing statement. I see I would go viral for that aspect. If we just let's just say that that's what it is, because I don't see, hey, go create a Bible for me and then build it and then use these books or not. Now we can there's no like quote from God on that. And then what language did God speak? Right? Does God speak what you know? So are we already picking and choosing how God sounds because well he speaks biblical Hebrew, does he? Because I didn't grow up Hebrew. Now you got to translate the word of God. That's supposed to be meant for human beings across the board. So again, you can start to see our fingerprints on how we invent things and how we try to take power over the things we invented. And now you're like, well, we're the children of Israel. No, no, no, we're the we're the black Hebrew Israelites. It's if that message is for us. Well, no, no, no, no, that's wrong because they just got that land back in the early 1900s, and you know, it's really was meant for this. And you we get to we get to doing the human thing, which is how do we hijack the story because the story is now powerful, so it has value. So now I want to use that value and esteem myself and make myself feel bigger than maybe where my people really are. And who gets to write that story oftentimes comes with a history of violence, of you know, using your power to kill off your enemy, enemy, all to say we have the power now. God was on our side, that's why we're in charge. So comply. That message is very familiar to the slave trade. Hey, you know what? Hey, I know you guys are putting in people in slavery here, but we're working on something. It's manifest destiny that we go over here and build this country. You got to need people that we could use, and then we're like, Well, man, where are you from, man? We from Europe, but we headed over here to this new land. We just need some people. God sent us here. Well, what you got for us, man? We got these guns. If you stand here, you can shoot your enemy. Say less to the spears. You don't need them no more, family. How many, how many guns can I get from you? Man, give me many three, four hundred people. I give you all the guns you want. Again, very human, but again, all of our religious ideology informed these behaviors. Now, in hindsight, oh my god, what were we doing? No, we were being human. People were chasing power, people were chasing artifacts and things that made them feel like they have more power over their enemy, and then once it all washes out, we can say, Yeah, see, God was on our side, he was working for us. That's why we're in charge. If you believe it our way and not your way, you'll reap the benefits. Matter of fact, black folks, why don't you be quiet and just learn from us today? Hey, we'll we'll own all the land, we're gonna take care of you. You know where you're gonna get yours? In the buy and buy. When you die and leave here, heaven is waiting on you. So just stay compliant, keep doing your thing. I know I'm oversimplifying this, but this is literally littered in all of our religious institutions. The the way we've built why one religion is better than the other, we start looking at quote unquote results. So, anyway, I'll be quiet and let the conversation continue to build. But that's where I think we're it's inevitable that we would have found a way to be human, even if that means creating, not that this has been not been created, but creating a creator that tells a certain group of people, y'all, my folks, I'm rocking with y'all, not everybody else. It's so human, super human, like on a the most human level ever.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Should I let you interject here or should I go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

You brought it up.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

So Josh, I get what you're saying. I think you you're going into human nature and what we've done, and I don't disagree. I think it goes back to my point. I don't know that we would be able to establish just principles without something written that pretty much says, and I know you're like, oh, well the Bible's written by humans, though. So who did so, but I feel like in terms of a creator being able to determine what's right or wrong to to guide humans, because of by nature we're going to do what's in the best interest of us, selfish, right? So to your point, you'll have one elite group take power over another one to their benefit. It's not right though. I didn't say that, you know what I mean? It's not right, but even where you're in justice, even where you he said it's not wrong either.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

I I said what it, but again, the right and wrong conversation comes down to who's empowered to say what's right and what's wrong. And that changes. Right and wrong changes depending on society, what's been going on, where we're at today. I mean, just simple examples. At one time, you know, marijuana wasn't legal. Now it or was it was illegal, now it's legal in many places. There's that time where, you know, alcohol, like if you would do time for that. Like, oh my god, we we we cooking, you know, the boots or whatever, you know, in this in the in the bathtub. Like, don't tell nobody. You know, the prohibition. I gave an example.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

If I just use, I'm gonna just use a biblical example. So if we just say, let's just take the the ten commandments, for instance, right? And then we're not adding any particular persons to it. We're just saying what's right or wrong, right? So thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, whatever. It doesn't matter what your nationality is, no matter where you come from, we're saying that that's right or wrong. If we're using that, right? And if we bring in like the Lindsey Clancy case, right? So in that sense, somebody's somebody's modifying that based on what their comfortability is, if that makes sense. And I think that's where we get into discrimination, that's when we get into power, that's when we get into class and all of those other things. But if we use it, if you take it face value, what it was, it's wrong, you do it, there's a consequence for it. We just removed all the other stuff that humans usually add to it. Well, we got money, so we don't have to really go to jail for this though. Or you know what, when we do it, it's not that bad, or whatever the case may be. If you add all the other stuff, but if you just the basics, love your neighbor. It don't matter what your neighbor looks like, it doesn't matter what the just love your neighbor, right? I feel like if you just take the basics of it, that principle, if we were living by that, how much of a difference would that be versus when humans add, but that's not favorable to me.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Yeah, but see, the thing is, is that that even deserves some interpretation. You know, it's not even thou should not kill, it's thou should like it's probably close to thou shall not murder. But if it was kill, kill is still relatively subjective. Kill what? Kill, like, is it okay to kill animals? Is it okay to what are we talking about? And I'm and a lot of the the Ten Commandments have to do with again, I'm gonna be a it's just you know, it's God, it's God saying, Hey, just make sure I remain important in your life. Like, don't forget about me. It's it's don't have any other gods before me, don't worship any idols, uh, don't misuse God's name. Like, what bro, are you good? Because it sounds like you're a little insecure about you need a few different rules about you being that guy. You're that guy. So why don't you give us some rules that are helpful about how to live? Not that it's not there, right? Now you get into the New Testament and then it takes on a new meaning, but again, that's humans being human. Oh, let me connect this to that. No, this is this is a part of God's design. Sometimes it's very difficult to use religion. Many times it's very difficult to use religion as the place to go to to seek out how we're supposed to live. Like really, because it's also it's you know, it's like God feels very well.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

Well, go ahead, but go ahead. Keep keep talking. But let me let me let me tie this back to AI. AI because that's originally because because because I I think I think part of the part of the part Dr. Renetius probably was feeling is that what's the morality around this new technology that we put into together, right? Is it being inserted with morality as far as going forward? Which I mean, if you be following it a lot, I mean they haven't got the the Pope even jump into the the AI spirit. Because you understand, this thing gonna dismantle the text, right? Because most of these institutions are built on words, that's written somewhere. And the folks that was able to interpret the collective of that information was able to say this is what it means, what it's not. Guess what? I got AI now, bro. I can translate how many different languages, all this stuff, bring it in, make sense of it. So now I can interpret the language of in inside of the text. It's like, wait a minute, that's not what it is. So now if your entire institution is built on words and the AI master that, then guess what? You have left. So when you ask about the principal thing, can can we operate without the biblical piece of it? Guess what? All that is is a is a bot. If you rip off the cover, it's survival stories of the past. We can do that right now. If we get rid of the Bible completely, you can take other people's experience that they've say I've I've done this thing, this is the pattern of recognition recognizing it. You can build that up and it could be the same impact, right? It could be the same impact because it's just stories that you used to teach people. Hey, don't do this, do this. I don't need a Bible for that, but the Bible was useful because it was a collection of other stories that people organized and say, This is how you behave. Because it's all about control of human behavior. That's my thinking. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Yeah, you're right. And I think it it the AI has to be encoded with an interpretation of what right and wrong means by humans. And I'm not saying that that means it's meaningless or it doesn't have any value, but it's still another machine that has to be given human-inspired, human-directed ways of being, and typically whatever group of humans are in power to make that the case, which is why you know we're having this conversation about how the Bible influences our morality. Well, that's probably because you're in America. So now we're so, you know, our G our geography is impacting how much we're relying again, not that we shouldn't, but we're relying on something that has made its way to the states and has been put on a pedestal for whatever reason. You got the history of how we got here and why the Bible is used as the the morality checker, and that's also has its opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Why do you say only in America?

SPEAKER_03 43:15

You know, because if we were in Saudi Arabia, they're probably not talking about how the Bible's gonna influence their morality at the level of the Quran.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Okay, but they use the Quran. So I mean, then we start to think about what how they what they call, but the Quran, the Bible, it is that well, people have died years and years trying to defend which one is more real. So I'm not getting into that, but I think it's still it's still a book that creates a level of agreed, agreed, agreed.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

I'm with you on that. But then it's like, well, again, humans are gonna do the human thing. I don't want the Quran influencing my robot. I don't want the Bible influencing my robot, I want the scientists to influence. I want my robot to be, you know, encoded with whatever, right? But it's not, it's always going to come down to who has the power to make the appropriate interpretation for how we should live, whether we agree with it at the mass level or not. We are going to socially engineer our society around the things that we value collectively and do our best to decorate it with importance. We're always about build more value, build more value. All that means is continue to establish yourself with the things that are like we try to get to a point where there's what's without question. Don't question. I mean, I was taught it. Don't question the Bible. What? Well, that's that's a very efficient way to get you to just shut up and do your thing and move on. Because we don't have time to question the word of God. Okay. So anyway, we we apply that to various things. Don't talk crazy to your boss. Like we'll in we do this no matter the context, about when we want authority to be applied, there is a silencing, there is a don't question, let it be, because you don't know, you don't know best. Your humanity is not good enough to understand how complex these things that we're trying to solve. So don't question it and just keep it moving.

SPEAKER_01 45:17

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SPEAKER_00 47:45

So, my only statement to that is is I do feel as though there can be group thinking when it comes to religious behavior, right? Sometimes you remove the individual's ability to think for themselves. So literally that I think is different than uh people uh interpreting and and living according to what their understanding is, as opposed to what somebody telling them the interpretation is. I think there's a difference, right? And so I think people can be taken advantage of when it's to that. So even something you know, we're talking about protecting land and resources in that regard, but it happens on a on a smaller uh level when it comes to even people's understanding of tithe and offering. So if you have somebody who's like tithe, you're gonna get blessed. And then I can now tell you how much to tithe in order for you to be blessed. It's like whose interpretation is that and who's benefiting from that. But you could be misled because you're like, this person is in this leadership role, you know, they're reading the Bible, they're representing a godly individual. So them telling me this, this person pouring into me, if I listen to them, I'm also listening to God or whatever the case may be. I feel like that creates a space of being manipulated versus reading it for yourself. So in that situation, I think kind of what I hear you saying, in a sense of you have a people who are being told how to operate within their belief system. And by default, people came in and took advantage of their vulnerability and stripped them of all their things, right? Like, you know what, you guys, we're we're telling you how to live, we're just gonna take your stuff as well, and and we'll we'll make sure that we control it. Because I don't think you guys have the capacity to. That's not, to me, that's not what the Bible says. But a lot of people are not reading things and understanding it for themselves. But I think Josh made a point, right? Like when you question it, people give pushback, like, oh, whoa, whoa, that's not you don't question us. We're the theologians here, we're the leaderships here, and I don't I don't condone that, but I do think there is an aspect of humans that are spiritual being who seek that out in terms of like, what's the what's my purpose? How did I get here? How was I created? And if those questions are being solely answered by specific entities or individuals, I think there's a level of vulnerability, right? And so that that's my two cents to that.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

I I like that by the way, because we're speaking to the black nation here, because a lot of we're very spiritual people, so that means spiritual conversation we gravitate to. But I'm always coming back to reality, like like we gotta go make things, we gotta own things, we gotta operate things, right? Um, you can't sell me on the heaven story, right? You can't sell me on that one. I bought that for a long period of my life, but no longer buying that story, right? Because at the end of the day, suffering it happens because of what? Resources. If you don't have the resources, you're gonna suffer. And you're gonna tell me, well, when you get to heaven, your suffering will end. I want to end the suffering now. You know, so give me the things that are gonna have me in that suffering. Which brings me to this other story. And we're gonna close out on this story here because I was following Elon launching his robot taxes. We're gonna jump into that one. But it's it's it's something to think about, right? So Elon is launching these robot taxes, and I was thinking about the blue-color job is gonna get replaced by robots, right? It presents an opportunity for some of these robot taxes, you can they can be franchised, right? Meaning that you can own these robot taxes and rent them out. So you can buy them, own and rent them out. So you can help build them, build these robots, then you can buy them, rent them out, right? So I'm thinking to this and I'm like, okay, cool. So can we end up being part of the industry that's being built by AI and end up being owners? How do we find a way to own some of these things that are being built? Like, you ain't gotta be the first to start it, but you can jump on board and figure out, okay, how can I monopolize on these things just like these other guys are doing? So when you think about that, that concept itself. I don't know if you want to respond to the last question, Justin with time to this one so we can close out on this topic here. But when you think about the AI revolution, the thing they're building, the robots they're building, how can we get into the game too, as a black nation?

SPEAKER_03 51:30

I mean, this is gonna continue to be, no matter what's invented, we still have to solve the things that plague our community, which is access to opportunity. This is just gonna be another thing in the host of things that have come and gone, and that still remain. And it comes down to systemically, there is a system that has produced this outcome and this experience that is pretty dominant for the African American community, which looks like you know, just very limited access to resources, education, you know, what rooms we're not in. And I'm not, I'm not this isn't even about blaming who's responsible, how, this, what, but this on paper, we're still in the same situation. It we could have the key that's gonna eradicate all of our social issues, but we still got to access the key. We got to know where's the key at? Who says that's the key? I don't believe that's the key. So-and-so told me this is the key. There's a lot of mistrust amongst us, even as a community. And so no matter what thing comes, we still have to deal with the heart of our state of affairs. Like our state of emergency is oftentimes around, again, inability to access, you know, certain parts of the labor market, you know, our own social mistrust of each other as a people. And um, you know, until those things are really, and because a robot's not going to be able to solve that for us, right? We can access to air all we want, but you got to know that the air that you're breathing is beneficial to you. And if you still see whatever, you know, however it comes to you as not advantageous or a part of your freedom or your, you know, your your desire to be uh liberated, you can be staring at the answer and still can't see it.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

So here's my counter to that too, because I thought about this too a bit. And we talk about compute earlier, right? And I was like, no, what are you what are you billing with the compute you're being given? Because they're giving a lot of free credits in some of these AI platforms, right? But what are you billing? Are you sitting at home with your time billing cat videos and all these things? Are you really pointing it at something that that your community needs to solve, right? So if so if you have so if I give you all the compute in the world, actually, you got if I give you all the compute in the world right now, like you can have the AI compute, no, you wouldn't run under the credits, Dr. Ranisha. You won't run under credits, Josh, you wrong in the credits, you got full credit, and you can you can start billing and solving problems. Like, what would you point these compute at that you can solve for the community? So I'm gonna start with you, Dr. Renisha. If you had to point that compute at something that you can solve, what would you point it at?

SPEAKER_00 54:05

That's such an interesting question, right? Because it it kind of also is saying that there's a way, there's a simple answer, and I don't think that's the case. But I will say this I think this this conversation has been on the table for a long time about how do we give or do we give reparations to people of color for slavery and all the monies and and resources that were lost during that era. And you ask yourself a question if I was to give them a check, what would they do with it, right? And and I think we can see some of that sometimes in terms of people who have access to things like housing or whatever the case may be, but there is a system that is intentional about the limits of how far you can go using that system and it creates dependency and all of the things. And so one of the things that I've talked about with in regards to this topic is every other community were given a space to take care of their own. Here's your land, you do what you do, you have your religion, you educate your own children, etc. And they and they stay together in that regard, right? Unfortunately, people of color we're the biggest consumers. And so we already know what the double-edged sword is. If you give them their own land, what's gonna happen to us? That's why we had slavery in the first place. Like we need them in order for us to keep keep these things going. We've tried it, Black Wall Street burnt down, all these things. Like you see these things historically in terms of people making effort to become their own elite. And so for me, it's it would be it that's to me, that's what I would go back to. Like, give give this vulnerable population who has been struggling with access to resources, their own system, their own land, their own ability to take care of their own. Because as long as you're dependent on a system that excluded you for years, you're gonna always have less than. They're gonna be just as protective of keeping their power as we are trying to gain it. I don't think they're gonna be like, oh yeah, no, we're gonna evenly show no, give this population their own land to do to literally create their own system. We should be policing ourselves, we should be educating ourselves, we should be, you know, have our own hospital. Like th those are the things as opposed to well, we're gonna we're gonna make sure it's diverse. We're gonna make sure the hospital is diverse, we're gonna make sure we have but those are not the individuals who own it. So, you know, I I think those are the things that would need to be modified and changed um in order for systemic changes, if that makes sense. How to compute that with AI, I think again, we've we've we've created and and come up with so many different things, but we don't own it. So in that regard, like giving them the permission to respectfully, like you're talking about Elon, everything that he creates, he creates. He's getting the uh the respect for it, and and look how much wealth is generated to uh his line of family or whatever the case may be. The same needs to be equivalent to for everyone, to be honest. So that's my thought.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

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SPEAKER_03 58:43

Yeah, I was just gonna say again, if you don't recognize what you it's still access to education to even understand what AI can do. Like it's AI is not gonna be the thing to solve whatever gap we're trying to solve without an informed understanding about what you what you possess. It's still gonna come down to what the inputs of the user to even comprehend, or what do I use or what I've had the now the access and power to. You still gotta go get that education. You still got to put yourself in community to learn about this. Is how I'm using AI. Because if I say, hey, go use AI to go build your business, and you don't right, you don't understand what it takes to build a business without the the tool. Now, if you're a learner and you know, but again, you would have already shown this in your life, you're like, oh damn, I got AI. That's why AI is such a thing for certain entrepreneurs, because like this solves a really big pain point for me. But if I'm still at the level where I don't even I don't even I don't even have an interest in taking a risk to put myself out there to even learn about how to use the tools available, you could have dropped us in 1950, 1900, 1850, and whatever the technology of that sign. Have you ever heard whatever you're doing today is what you would have done during the civil rights movement? It's like, oh, I would have been out on the front line. No, you wouldn't. No, you won't. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. You you know, because I can tell how you move right now, you wouldn't be interested in being sprayed with fire hoses and you know being spit on at a sit-in because everybody didn't go with Harriet Tubman when she was like, Hey, I got a path. They're like, uh, y'all go do that. I know I'm enslaved. I don't really know nothing else. I grew up as a slave. The freedom thing sounds cool. It does. Trust me. I believe in you, sis. But I want to go sleep in some shelter, and I want to wake up in the morning and know what's in front of me, even if I'm not that enthused by it. You want to go where? You know, people be getting shy, people are doing this, right? They had all kinds of stories not to follow Harriet Tubman. And so we apply that same type of thinking is going to interrupt us, even in our pursuit of freedom. Freedom is not free. We got our own digital AI road uh uh underground roll road that's in front of us, but if we don't recognize what it's gonna take to use it as a pathway to our own liberation, it becomes one more thing that is that's gonna come and people are gonna miss because there's a fear, there's a story that's keeping them bound or held by still maintaining a victim mentality. Not that they're not fighters, not that we're trying to pursue freedom and all these other things. And everybody didn't say, Oh, Harry Tubman found a way to free slaves. Hey, oh, let's get out of here. She had she, I know she, I know we know she had doubters. Like you're tripping. You're about to get us all killed. But it's the folks that decided to go anyway, right? That's it's always a subset of the population that sees the vision, and everybody's not gonna see the vision.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

I can't go ahead, doctor quick comment. Agree, right? I also think to the statement build a business, but build a business in whose system, right? Like you could you could we could sit here, AI, amazing. You have to take all of that and build it in the same broken system that we're talking about. So you're gonna be up against uh certain limitations, red tape, and and and I don't think we realize that that's the issue. Like that that that's the issue. I mean, I I I do agree that not everybody is going to be willing and able to manage the reality of of owning a business. Like I don't think everybody can be a business owner, and I don't think that's a problem, but I think it's having a business in whose system. Because that's where the control is. Like you're gonna get taxed, you're gonna get, you know, every year you have a a fee. Who's setting those prices? Who's doing the audits? What are the requirements? Like all of those things are intention, intentional. So that's why when you find out things are just like, oh, they don't even they don't even go through that in their tax bracket. Why are we begging wealthy to to to give tax like to pay taxes? That's what we're doing. This is the system. It's it's corrupt. It's not it's not built to be fair. It wasn't built to include this particular set of people to win. It wasn't. And that's what I said. Like, I think the bigger fight is creating their creating your own system. And I think that's hard because there's individuals that Josh just said, they're they're comfortable. I'm getting my needs met. Why am I doing this? Why am I working this hard to fight for that type of change?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

That's what you're saying. That that that is a topic we gotta continue the conversation around because it's around the system. Because I hear that word a lot. The system, the system. We gotta realize that the United States is a massive system, and that system is is is not for us, like you said, but we are here. So what are you gonna do with the system? Because you're gonna be always in a system. You go anywhere, you're gonna still be in a system. I mean, I'm in the solar system right now. Can you change that one? I'm off a dismantle the moon. I don't know. I'm saying, but we're in a system no matter where we go. It's a matter of how do you understand the system you're in and win. Because the thing is that we don't understand the system we're in. When I first came to America, I didn't understand the American system. Until I got woken up, oh, guess what? My ambition is big. I'm gonna win in the system. I just gonna understand all the what what kind of game they're playing. I can play the game too, Brody. Right? So it's all about learning the system you're in. So folks are listening and then they give up because, like, let's say, well, I'm in the system, I can't change the system, so you give up. Nah, bro. Get get in the game, study the game, the game plan, study all the rules we're played for the game, and then find a way to win too. All right, we're gonna wrap up. Any, any, any, let me see what I got on my list here. If we get if we got to all the topics today, I think we did that we promised we're gonna talk about. I know I know this was one of a tough one for both of you guys as far as when it comes to wrapping your mind around this AI thing, because um, not everybody's deep into it. But uh I've been studying for a while, I was watching this thing. I'm like, this thing is not going away. He's getting it's getting more traction, and all the freaking money is going in that direction. So I'm like, all the money is going that way. So eventually you better get in this game too. So I'm thinking about this, what these folks are launching. Like, what can we do with the technology we have today that we haven't thought about doing? Or we thought about doing, but we couldn't do it because we didn't have the people and the expertise. But I'm I'm playing with the system. I'm like, it has the expertise, like it's intelligent, it knows stuff. Okay, all right. Any what's what's you what is your biggest takeaway there, Josh, from this conversation?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:25

Yeah, I think, well, I know that a large part of our conversation is around I mean, we can kind of predict what we will use AI for. We just look at how we use other powerful pieces of technology and human invention. And if we're not careful, we're gonna continue to repeat the pattern to gatekeep the have and the have nots, who have access, who don't, the perceived access of more because AI is here. But all that means is that whoever's on the other side that already had the more, if they're thinking about it, they're like, oh, we can use this to be able to manipulate and gatekeep and keep people out. And I think we've all got a new set of superhero gear. But if everybody got the same superhero gear, we just elevate the again, we just created a new normal, which creates a new host of social problems that we still have to answer. So, you know, the the question is always are the the the I think these conversations bring awareness and light to patterns of human behavior that we're still wrestling with. And sometimes the players change, but the game remains the same. Beck, what are your biggest takeaway?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:35

There's so many, but yeah, this was good. So as as we're talking, one of the things that came to me, and I always say this, but my guy Miles Monroe, right? Meet a need, want for nothing. And I and I think how we get those needs met is becoming much more accessible and and straightforward. AI has is is is making that easier for people to do. It doesn't matter your creed, it doesn't matter your language, like it's removing a lot of barriers for people to be able to do this. I just think you have to have a clear vision as to what you're using it for. I do think that we're in a space where we have a lot of copycats, right? Everything is trendy. We're doing things because it's a trend. You know, everybody's becoming an expert, a guru, right? You don't, you can almost hear the the chat GPT language, like, oh yeah, I know I've seen that before, right? To that to Josh's point, when everybody has the same superhero suits, it's like, what are we solving? Who are we saving? So I do think we have to be intentional about what is your purpose, what are you good at, and using the tools to make sure you're the better version of yourself and not someone else is my biggest takeaway.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

Yeah, I love that. Um and you know, the other thing I was thinking too, because we we we already talk about it's gonna disrupt job, and I and sometimes when I think about that, we forget how much job it's gonna create from what it disrupts. Because the thing about disruption is when you disrupt something, you create a new you create a new problem. And a new problem is a new job. So but sometimes we don't see that. It was like, well, I'm gonna keep doing the old thing I'm doing. I'm like, man, if A I can give it all this boring shit I don't like doing, I would do the next thing because it's more exciting, right? But we want that same predictability on certain things, which I understand, but I'm like, do you know much job this thing gonna create? Because it's gonna disrupt a lot of things. So then seek out those things that are disruptive, people like somebody gotta fix that. Cause this thing broke it. Hey man, I want to fix that. Pay me, right? But we're not looking for that. We like, uh, there's no job. No, it's gonna create a lot of jobs. But cool. This was a great chat, folks. Uh, we're gonna wrap up and we're gonna chat again next week. Find something else to uh to brew on. And if you got any ideas, when you listen to this chat, put it in the comments, say, hey, we want to hear more about that. Uh, Daisy's on our little, she's on our little conference thing, so she won't be here this week, but um, catch her next week and we're gonna keep this thing going. Oh, so it's gonna be a trio again next week. Oh man. Okay, we'll see what's up. We're gonna keep the conversation going. If you're gonna get up to the to the duo, we're gonna do the duo. We end up finding a few more people to make it uh a quintet five. Well it doesn't matter. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna go with it. We're gonna roll with it and keep the conversation going. All right, appreciate your time, folks.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:05

Thank you, Asher. Thank you, Jack.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:07

Right, Shaw. All right, y'all. All right.