SPEAKER_03 0:00

But I remember years ago, I lost my job. I didn't tell anyone. And it was so bad that I every morning for like the first month dress up every day like I'm going to work. I wake up at the same time, dress up, take my kids to work, and then come back home and look for a job like I'm working.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Oftentimes we get out here, we're just following somebody else's script they gave us. Something we inherited from our family that's often fear-based.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

So when the music hits you and you want to move, can you resist the movement and stay still?

SPEAKER_03 0:28

Most women actually now, especially if you work in corporate America, have a family and all of that, have autoimmune diseases, have chronic illnesses because of all the weight they have to carry.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

And I was thinking about how difficult it is for us to listen to long form. They don't want a long form thing to listen to, they want it very short.

SPEAKER_03 0:45

A woman that will give away $100,000 will not invest a thousand dollars because she doesn't trust herself to invest.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

People that own multiple businesses that are devastated inside. And guess what? I'm one of them.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

When you use those words, I'm busy, I don't have time, you're not gonna find time.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Somehow, if I show you my wounds, you might think less of me. And you might not want me. You might not need my help.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

I woke up one day and I realized that everything I had planned out, everything I wanted, I did not want anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Utterly, utterly fantastic day. Yeah. Every memory got a meaning. Every meaning got a myth. Memoirs to millions. Welcome back to another series of the M2M run table. We've got the the folks here today. And we're gonna get right into it. Cause uh we've been absent. And um and today we're just gonna catch her, figure out what's going on in each other's world, you can share a little bit of what's going on in our world. And I have a I have a surprising question for you on the Star With you a days, okay? Because you've been you've been absent from the team. And I'm curious to know, are you building, are you currently building anything that's that that's going to um see you building anything that's gonna blow up the world in the next five to ten years? What are you working on in your kitchen?

SPEAKER_03 1:58

It that's like everything. Because everything I'm building, it's there's I have a friend that likes talking about the golden thread, right? So the golden thread there is that women have more agency, women tend to get to work together more and realize that they have more power to solve whatever problems that they have together rather than alone. So with everything I'm doing, it's like when we can get to a point where it's normal and just like second nature for us to think, instead of thinking I don't know what to do, or I have all these setup advantages, I'm gonna think, oh, I know this other woman and these other women, and let's just go and get it started. So that's basically what I'm doing. So again, so African women in STEM is my own. So basically, you know, so there I started it because of my experience, being a woman in STEM, an immigrant, a mom, black, all the things. And as and the more you add the identities, the worse it gets in the work environment. But the biggest thing for us was just the fact that we're so isolated, you can do a lot when you're isolated and when everybody around you is basically different, and different tends to be considered something negative. So with African men in STEM is more like you can build that community and that support and get whatever it is that you want. Because one thing I found, you know, over the years and talking with women in my community is the biggest thing that hurts us the most is we're isolated and we don't have access and we don't have information. And information is key and critical. Like people say things like, I wish I knew this five, 10 years ago because it would have changed my life. But the thing is that we all go through the same experiences, but we don't talk to each other, we don't talk to one another. So everybody comes, starts their career, and experiences the exact same things. It makes no sense. So my goal is that you have this global community where you can come and find your people, tap in, get whatever you need, but make sure that you have your own experience, but it doesn't, not all experiences should be had by everyone. If it's something bad and horrible, let's avoid it, okay? We know that fire burns. We don't have everybody, we don't need everybody to put their hand on fire to get burned before they realize you can just start the fire burns, don't go there. So that's the one thing. And then in that is all the projects that I'm doing. So again, I'm focusing on AI because last week, I don't know if I have to go into this right now, somebody just gave me the word for what I've been saying, which is a lot of women, we always say women don't want to do AI. It's not don't want to do AI, it should basically say they're so close to the problem that they see the negative impacts of AI on people. And that's why they'd be cautious. So the caution actually just kind of takes them away from me. But my thing is if you really want to build the world you want to see, you have to find a way to be involved and then create that thing you want. So AI is a big thing, basically leading and innovating in that and doing it with other people like you that are like-minded that can support you. And then I have a conference coming up, Hasension Conference, which is again the premise of relationships lead to real opportunities. So let's come together and begin to build those relationships that we can leverage to actually accelerate our careers, scale up businesses.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

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SPEAKER_03 5:55

Access.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Access to what?

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Access to people, access to resources. People are resources, people can lead you to resources. Like, for example, when I started my entrepreneurial journey, I had to find people like me because all my friends, everybody I know is in corporate. So finding that. And then finding I found that I knew this is a thing that is possible, I can do it. There are examples of people that have succeeded. Um, but in general, I mean, I'm just gonna generalize here for a second. I'm not saying that it doesn't that the other examples don't exist, but with women, especially for a lot of reasons, I think one is because we we don't have the things, or two, it's just that we don't trust ourselves to do it. So with women, you can get mentors, you can get your people to cheer you, you know, people to support you, but we don't necessarily have access to sponsors, for example, like the men do. People access to advocates. Like I woke, I think at the beginning of this, I was like, I need to be able to have access to money. Like, I need to be able to talk to someone and say, I'm trying to raise money or I want a loan. And it's not like, oh my goodness, what are you talking about? Like, why are you coming to me? I have no idea. You know, it's just like, oh, okay, what do you need? You know, and then I talk to you and figure out if it's something I can do, if you actually are ready for that, and then the next conversation happens. But a lot of women don't have access to that, you know, and and I'm liking it enough, because I keep telling people, it's almost like you're expected to make it work. I'm not saying that there's not anything wrong with like you shouldn't bootstrap or whatever, but I'm like, think about it. Elon Musk raises money all the time. He asks for money all the time, he's a billionaire, for goodness sake. So in business, you kind of, if you want to grow and scale, accelerate that process, you have to do other people's money. It's just a thing. We don't have that, and it's not normal. We don't even talk about money as women because again, culturally, there's so many things around that, but whatever. So, yeah, so access is the biggest thing. Information, resources, people.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

All right, we can put that one, we're gonna come back to that one. Josh, same question for you, man. What are you cooking up over there, man? Are you trying to blow up the world too in the next five to ten years? Are you are you are you creating anything over this gonna destroy the world?

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Yeah, I mean, I uh a daisy kind of left me exactly where I'm in my own process, which is finding people that um that believe in what I'm doing. And specifically what I'm doing is I'm building spaces to bring humans together, absent of distraction, so we can connect on a human level. The robots help me build it, but they work for us. We do not work for the robot. It is on us to be able to be responsible with what we're building and keep humans in mind that spaces where long ago we could gather around a fire and tell each other's stories, pass down traditions, pass down ancient technology, pass down survival tactics, pass down how to access resources, but do that in a community where everybody matters, and it's not about how many degrees you have, how much money you have. And we just use music as the medium. And what I'm talking about specifically is the listening room that I've built. Because I believe attention has become very scarce, and we got to give people permission again to be still long enough for them to hear from themselves about what's needed for their own life. No one has the answer for you. That doesn't mean people can't help you find it, but you gotta know who you are. And oftentimes that's so scattered, and there's so much attention deficit over your own voice, your own calling, what you can do for you in community, right? In community. But oftentimes we get out here, we're we're just following somebody else's script they gave us. Something we inherited from our family that's often fear-based. It's not you based, it's based in fear. So all it's about like, okay, do this and you won't fail. Do this and you can have enough money to feel sustainable or to be, you know, good and whatever that means. And so, you know, my quiet rebellion against that is to create a space on a small level to remind people through music that you're powerful, there's nothing broken. You just have to sit long enough to receive the message and use it to go out and execute in a way that is integrated and not compartmentalized because you're trying to appease or please someone in your life because it's easier to do so. I mean, classic example. It's very easy to go to a not easy in the sense that you don't have to do the workout, but there's something comforty about going to a workout class and your trainer just telling you what to do. Okay, do this, this, do this next, do that next. You're like, okay, cool, okay. And people pay a premium for that. Nothing wrong with it. But if this person is telling you what to do, absent of your own engagement around your goals and what you need to support you, then this becomes a very meaningless experience because you're just doing without any context or any integration of who you are and what you could be if you really knew what you wanted to work on. Do these exercises or does this what I'm doing really match who I am on a deeper level? And that changes constantly. But we never slow down or really tap into that because my phone went off, got an email, I'm in demand, I got its title, I have a responsibility to be a certain person for this group of people. So, anyway, I slow all that down, remove all those distractions and help people tap into something deeper in community. We're all human, and a Daisy said it best, we don't talk enough about our struggles in community because we're too busy about being, you know, keeping the power. Like, no, are you dealing with that? Oh, how can I help you? Because somehow, if I show you my wounds, you might think less of me and you might not want me, you might not need my help. So I'm looking for somebody that looks like a superhero. And that person got all kind of baggage themselves. But for whatever reason, that that gets in our way of connecting on a human level. So, anyway, man, that's my two cents on this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

No, I I like this show. I know Daisy, if you got any thoughts on that too.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

But um, too, like something he said just because I just had this conversation with a friend of mine yesterday. And I'm also guilty of that and I'm learning to let go and let people help me. So the whole idea that even when we are suffering, we don't we're not we don't talk about it because we are not comfortable being that vulnerable. So even though we're dying, we're asking somebody, how can I help you? So we're always showing up as a superhero. Again, it's a cultural thing. But yesterday, I went to an event at my kids' school, and one of the some two parents were catching up on one was like, Oh, I'm in between jobs. And it just hit me. I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. Because right now, I mean, we know what the job industry is like in the last year and a half. So right now, people, when you say, I don't have a job, I just got fired, that's because a million other people have gone through that and you're not alone. But I remember years ago, I lost my job. I didn't tell anyone, and it was so bad that I every morning for like the first month or longer, I think I dressed up every day because my kids still went to daycare. So I'll dress up every day like I'm going to work, I'll wake up at the same time, dress up, take my kids to work, and then come back home and look for a job like I'm working. I didn't tell anyone. My husband lost his job like the next year. He didn't tell anyone, we didn't even tell our families, right? Because it was like there's a shame around it. We this is what we felt. Like if you tell, if if I told someone, it might be unfeeling, it might be a thing, but it's like they'll now look at us differently. You know, people will know what to do with you. Um, now you don't have a job, what does that mean? So we wanted to prove that we could do it. But the reality is that if we were comfortable enough with saying, hey, I don't have a job, and you talk to people, by the time you talk to 20 people, 50 or whatever, you will have a better opportunity to get a job faster. I mean, that's different now. But even now, like in my community, a lot of people, you know, were affected by the job loss. But when I catch up with them, I was like, so how is it out there? They're like, people are getting jobs, but only people that have networks. And I was like, this is what I've been saying for the last several years. But because it was easier then to just go apply and get a job, people are like, I'd rather do that and talk to someone. Um, so this is that's one of those things that we just kind of carry because we have to show at every single point in time that we are comfortable and okay and doing well. That's why I tell people, find someone that you can be open with. Like I have my business besties that I'm like, today was horrible. You know, like this line or that person, or I gotta know whatever, because you you need to be able to let that out and feel normal. Like it's not just you.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

So so going back to African women in STEM, and you're creating your network now, and thinking through the folks that are looking for employment or looking for purpose, so to speak. You mentioned earlier that maybe venture capitalists is probably what you need, need more connection to some venture capitalists so they can find your idea. But but in your network, are you seeing more more of the the job loss conversation happening? Or what is what are the conversations that you see mostly happening for your community?

SPEAKER_03 15:06

I'm not gonna say the job loss conversation happens a lot, right? I mean, people can reach out to me and you know tell me that they're looking, but I'm always like reach that's the reason why we're in community here, reach out to other people. But I do notice that people actually don't feel comfortable making it public still. And I was like, there's so much I can do, right? I mean, I I know a lot of people. If you tell me something I'll in in a couple of days or weeks, something might come up and it could help, but I'm this is not what it's about. So it is happening, but not as much as I would like it to. But the thing that I know people talk about a lot is the fact that because I talk about our community is so they can build relationships to help you elevate your career. So it's really leverage relationships, elevate your career. People are always like, but I don't know, I'm an introvert, I know how to build network. Networking is horrible, blah, blah. That's one conversation that I have a lot because that's what I focus on. I'm like, you know, we already, most of us have multiple degrees. Like, that's not a problem. We have all this certification, that's not a problem. We, you know, we are very willing and ready to do the extra thing to get the extra, you know, letters behind our names. But real, in reality, it's like, why would you go spend one and a half years going back to school when you could talk to someone for 30 minutes and probably get the same thing? But I always hear, I don't know, you know, networking is is and I get it, it's certainly if you're in a male-dominated space, because I experienced the same thing, and that's because I was going out of my way to go find people. But I go to these spaces, you're from the moment you step into the door, you're excluded. And someone says something about the fact that most of those people in those rooms, they're already connected, they're friends. So they're just coming to just catch up, and you are the outsider coming hoping to make friends, but they don't have that space for you. So you're you're on at a table having a conversation with people, and they're talking about how they went fishing and hunting, knowing fully well you cannot relate to any of those things. I don't fish and hunt, I don't watch American football, and and all of that stuff. So it's like, and I was like, okay, the thing is it's easier than you think to build those relationships because sometimes we expect things to be ready-made, we expect other people to provide things for us. I was like, first of all, you have to back to what Joshua just said, which is where where I set the fundamentals, you have to know who you are. First of all, outside of everything else, if you know who you are, then what do you want? Why do you want that? If you're clear on those things, it'll be easier for you to figure out then who can help me get there. And I was like, don't be worried about getting a hundred people in your network. You didn't need a hundred people, you just need the next one person. Okay, fine. Look out to three people to start with, you know, or five. One person will say yes, another five people say yes. But the thing is that in the beginning, it's almost like you're adding one person to your network, you know, every so often. But the reality is after a while it compounds. Because now when I connect with people that don't even know who I am, like I don't even expect them to connect, but they do because by the time they click, they'll find out we have 135 people in common, for example. And in their mind, they're thinking, oh, if she knows X, Y, Z, they're good people, then you are good people. That's how it works. So that's the biggest thing, you know, just building those networks because I was like, how do I do that? And again, also, they're always like, I was like, when you're building that or lead with giving. And they was like, but I don't have anything to give. I don't, I was like, you always have something to give. Always. One example is I had this lady that was trying to get into leadership, and we we talked about it. I was like, listen, you need to start having conversations with the leaders that you admire in your company, just no strength to act conversations. And she did, and it happened to be that this lady she was promoted to like senior VP or whatever, I don't know, and she was tasked with breaking into some space, and she was here trying to figure out how to do that. So in the conversation, she was she mentioned it, and the lady had been going to this conference for the last volunteer at this company for the last several years. I was like, Oh, I mean, there's this conference, and I know about it. And she was like, Oh my goodness, thank you. Before you knew it, the company had already sponsored some people and her to go, and in what conversations we helped this senior leader solve her problem. It was just a simple information that she probably didn't think meant anything. Um, so that's that's the thing. But I feel like if we get over networking is such a big deal, I want something, and that's what usually happens when people network when they need something. The energy is so, you know, you are tense, you are um desperate, the other person can sense it and it makes them uncomfortable, right? So I'm like, start building those relationships where you don't need anything. And even when you need something, whatever dressers do with a listening room, go calm yourself down and show off so that you can not have the energy that repels people while you're trying to build those relationships as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

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SPEAKER_01 20:33

You know, more and more we we have all these artificial ways to be in community, and we can build up a certain amount of uh almost we can build a uh a virtual superhero version of ourself online. Like I hate going on LinkedIn.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I've been I've been tagging on there, bro. What's up?

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Well, that I probably haven't noticed it. And it's and it's it's just it's just everybody killing it right now. Like I mean, you would go on there and you would literally, it looks like you're reading the corporate comics of everybody that's the superhero in their story, and look at what I've done, and look at what I've amassed, and we're doing this, and we're getting ready to change the world. And and I don't, and maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but it's not that that exists. It it it's because that exists in solitude, it's not a balanced story, right? So, what happens is that story cheapens our ability to truly connect on a deeper level because we know that's not all it takes. But we're quick to present the finished product in the absence of the journey that it takes to get there, the building that it takes to get there. And and I think you know, when we really slow down and we get engaged in the movies that or the stories that we really fall in love with, is because we get a window into well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I see the finished product, I see what you're doing, but what did it do? Take for you to do that? What type of discipline did you have to submit to? Who did you meet? Right? Who's in your family? What kind of general racial and wealth already existed for you to be at this level in society? And I'm looking at you like, well, damn, how do I? Oh, well, let me tell you a little something about this. I didn't just get this on my own. My family has been working on this for 200 years. Literally, I was at a conference called the Black Professionals Network Conference. There was a wealth manager on stage, black man, and he's been managing white accounts, white wealth accounts. He goes, There's families that have property that have been in their life, that they're protecting estates that the family has been aware of for over 200 years, and it has been passed down and passed down and passed down, and obviously creates its own. They probably got it for 50 cents back in the day, and now it's worth 50 million dollars. But you'll take that and be like, oh man, I'm not good enough, or I didn't have this, I didn't have that. And so the reason why I want, I want to expose the truth. And, you know, back to what I'm building is I believe when we can have a place where we can just let go. And instead of, you know, I'm also a DJ, so I love to get people up and move into the music, but I'm doing something different where I'm using the move, the music to keep you still in a room of community, so you can get to know yourself. And and then it and then I'm telling y'all, by the end of it, people do not mind if they feel comfortable revealing. It looks like I got it all. I don't. I'm talking, there's CEOs in the room, people that own multiple businesses that are devastated inside. And guess what? I'm one of them. So this isn't go beyond what I'm willing to surrender to and submit to as well. I got a problem with my phone, I got a problem with attention, I gotta, I'm building something. I'm not present at home as I want to be. My wife's frustrated with me at times. Now, my son tells me this had a very interesting call with a, I'm not gonna name them on the podcast because I'm just not. But they're a they're an ex they're they're an exclusive club, right? I've done events there, they're known all over the world, and we're having a conversation around alignment. I'm talking to them about, hey, this is what I expect, this is what y'all expect. But the thing that saved me was they're memberly, the members that have experienced the listening room are craving. They're like, when is this guy coming back? When can we do this again? Now, it's a club, premium membership, it's an accessibility issue. People, even at that level where you think they got it together, are looking for a place to remove a mask to breathe. They're like, Well, when do we when is when is he coming back to do the thing? And I'm not putting a bunch of roses on myself. My son hears me advocating for myself. I said, son, what do you what do you think of these calls I've been having, man? Because he was just with me. He was like, I don't know, man, dad. It seems like you're kind of annoyed, but I really think it's cool. And he's nine. I really think it's cool. You're standing up for yourself. Let I let him in. No, it's not. Hey dad, dad's got all these partnerships, and I built this and I no, you're watching dad build something, and it's hard, bro.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

No, I um I hear you when it comes to, you know, it's interesting about music is that music's supposed to move you, but then you're going up, you're going the other way direction. You're trying to make him stay still. So can you stay still when the music hits you? Like Bob Martin said when it hits your female pain, right? So when the music hits you and you want to move, but can't you resist the movement and stay still? And it's not it's not moving the body now. It's like can you still the mind? Still the mind. Exactly. Can you still the mind? So so so that's a challenge I think we have because we have been, we've been, I guess we've we've been overly violated mentally with a lot of information. And now how do you how do you calm that nervous system down? And guess what? We know music works in different ways. How do you want to make it work? Right? Music works on people, right? It works on the mind and the body. But how do you find a place to sit down now and start realizing my mind is overpopulated with things that I don't need to be, I need to have in there, so how do I get out to get it out of there? You gotta stay still because you gotta recognize what's what's what's it what's a threat, what's the enemy in your system and get rid of it. So I'm gonna go back to you at a day's because I like your population. You talk about women, you're you're you're very on the defense for women, so to speak, you're protecting women, and they might need some of that listening room experience too, right? But but but when it comes back to your your your single biggest challenge, like what it is that you when you listen to Jazz talks about is experience with these folks, or that relates to your your community.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

I mean, I'm gonna say this first of all. I feel that music is a spiritual experience. That not I feel, I know. For me, it is. And culturally, in most African cultures, music is a spiritual experience. And it personally, once you start building the drum, I feel like I am in communication with my ancestors. That's just the way it is. I move to the bit of the drum. And I'm a I'm a dancer, but I don't have to practice anything with the drummer. The moment you start drumming, I can always already anticipate where it's going. And I don't even know what I'm doing, I don't think about it. So music is definitely something that even if it doesn't move, I mean, we think music is supposed to move us physically, but it moves in so many ways. Because it allows you to take a journey. Um, for us, we use music, you know. When we when we're when we when we're in a time of mourning, we use music. It's a way to express ourselves. When we're happy, we we use music as a way to express ourselves. But we're just chill, we use music. So even if you're not going somewhere or moving your body physically, but there's something is happening. Your mind could still be present and still, but something is happening. So there's some kind of movement in somewhere, which is amazing. And I'd absolutely love the listening room. So I I think one way it ties to what I do because again, after 1,000 years in conference, I'm just kidding. Because I tell I okay, I'm just gonna say this thing because so I was having a conversation with someone about my conference, and she was asking me, Who are you expecting? And I said basically it's for professionals and entrepreneurs. And it was like for the professionals, so I expected, I was like, I'm expecting because I'm thinking of my community, my community is mid-career senior leaders, um, executives and so on. So she was like, Well, executive women don't have time. So if the if they're gonna come here for someone to, for example, ask them for a job or whatever, they're not gonna show up because they need to know. I was like, I get that in general, for somebody to show up for anything you're doing, they have to see the value in it for them. But what I was sitting on was they don't have time. And it kind of took me back to my experience in corporate America. There's this thing of, you know, we don't have time. We don't have time, and what it costs us is this definitely the more responsibility you have, the less time you have, right? However, at least in my industry where it's very male dominated, the men have built a system where even if they're at the executive level and they don't have time, they have people at every level of the organization that kind of gets information, distills it up so they know what's happening everywhere at every time. They have the luxury. For example, I was thinking of this guy that started at one of the companies that worked at, he'd never been in that industry before, but he was brought in because he solved a particular problem. One thing he did was to go to the field, you know, where the people were working, to hang out with them, ask them questions. If he does anything tomorrow, their mindset is this guy gets us. He's one of us. He he thinks about he was close enough to us, right? So he made time for that. But I'm like, so you don't have time, and what happens that women isolate themselves because they're like, I don't have time, I need to focus on making this work. And it's lonely at the top, and it's lonelier for a woman in STEM who's an executive. And at the other levels, you don't have any, we don't know what's happening in the company, you don't have people that bring you information. You really people might be planning things around you, and whatever, it's hard enough to survive. So I'm like, what does I don't have time mean? You know, it it ends up hurting us so much, and and it's real because just a few weeks ago, someone told me I only network up because I'm networking to get to the next level. So if it's not somebody that can give me that, I don't. But I'm like, that means you're really alone. And I know her, I know that she's alone, really. She's she's her work power, she's risen to the top, but it's stressful. It is stressful. If she had a choice, yeah, a lot of women I know at executive levels, if they had a choice, they would leave. It's a lot, right? So it's like, what do we really focus on? It comes back to relationships. I'm not saying, again, like I keep telling my friend, if I I'm suffering right now as a founder, right? If I go through all this stuff and I make it to like this eight figures, nobody should come and talk to me because I don't have time for you. I'm gonna be on the beach and driving myself, you know what I mean? Because I earned it. So I get not having time, but then again, what does that really mean? I'm not gonna be removed to where I don't even know what my clients want, you know, what my community is saying. You know what I mean? It's like so you don't have to be the one doing that, but have you set up a system that actually helps you? So figure out where you forecast your time. I mean, that's just me.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

So, so I would I would always go back to this because I hear I hear this a lot from when I talk to women, I'm not sure, I'm not sure why why this word used so much is like I am busy or I don't have time. I heard it a lot. And sometimes sometimes when I hear it, and I I'm trying to understand it, like why is it used so much? And uh sometimes I see this with with with when I say women, they have a consistency problem, but then they use the word I'm busy, I'm I don't have time. So I'm trying to understand what's going on in your mind when they use those terms, because when you use those words, I'm busy, I don't have time, you're not gonna find time. And then going back to the system thing, though men, men often build system because we think system a lot more than women, right? Because we think about because system means structure. If you have a system, you have a structure. And oftentimes women don't look at building a structure, they just do the thing. So now we gotta come together and figure out, okay, so now we understand that you need system because it's very difficult for you to build a consistency because that requires you to stay in a place for a long period of time. Oftentimes women don't have that privilege because they're gonna do different things. Men might do. But what have you seen in your in your community of organ of organized women that might need to that but they might need to look at the I don't have time, I'm busy statement to change that mindset.

SPEAKER_03 32:38

Well, I mean, in all honesty, again, I'm a living experience. We really are busy and we don't have time because for most women, they're not just working, they're mothers. And if at a certain age you're taking care of your parents and taking care of your children at the same time, and then you're probably taking care of your community, and everybody is on you, right? Like, you know, we see this on social media a lot now, but you know, a couple might go out to work, they come back home. I mean, I I'm also gonna say I love my uncle so much, but years ago, she and he he came back home with his wife, right? They came home really late, like 11 p.m. at night. He just sat down on the couch and she went into the kitchen to start cooking. I was so pissed. He's my uncle, but I was so pissed. Men have that luxury. Um, I've I know people and relatives that, you know, the guy is going back to school, and the entire two years of he was in school, all he did was go to work and study for school. When the woman went back to school, she still had to take care of everything and make sure that the man didn't have any problems. So let's say she had to travel for school, she would not call me and be like, Do you have time to take the kids? Because I'm gonna be out of town for the next. You know what I mean? Like they still have to take care of everything just so they can leave. I know sometimes when I used to travel for work, you know, somebody, like I used to go to Canada quite a bit. So I'll travel, I'll I'll lay out all the clothes that my daughter is gonna wear for the whole week, food, everything. And I'll come back the next week and people be like, oh my goodness, your husband was so awesome. Your daughter looks so amazing. I was like, but she wears the same thing when I'm here. But it doesn't matter, right? So they really do. But again, the thing is, it's like we're in a period where we're we have the privilege to unlearn because now with social media and now with some women, I think COVID started it, people actually coming out and talking about these experiences. It can't it gives us um the permission to kind of let go of all these expectations that the society puts on us, culture puts in us. So, but it it's a it's it's gonna be it's gonna take time for me. It took a lot, a long time, but it was an effort on my own part to actually begin to let go. And I didn't completely let go because I got sick and I didn't have a choice. However, I don't want anybody to get there. I keep telling people I don't want you to get there. Most women actually now, especially if you work in corporate America, have a family, all of that, have autoimmune diseases, have chronic illnesses because of all the weight they have to carry. But if you can learn now and to let go, like it's okay. Like right now, I never thought it was okay for my house not to be spotless. No, I'm like, because I can't even do it. If I try to do it, I'd probably be out of commission and in bed for like next three days. So I don't even bother anymore. But and and guess what? My house is still my house. My kids are fine, my husband is okay. So I think the thing is for us to unlearn things, but I always say you can't do it by yourself. It's always better in community. Because we need the support, because this is like, I don't know, hundreds of thousands of years of programming, and now you're trying to wake up one day and be super human. No. For me, I know like I had a coach, I had mentors, I had people that held me accountable, and it was a struggle. But I knew that I had to show up every day in front of these people so that they can ask me the questions and make me uncomfortable enough to stop doing what I'm doing. So that's what I would say. You know, we need to start letting go. You know, we have women that are breadwinners, and yet they feel that if they don't cook every night and do the laundry and whatever else, and there it was moms in forward. Not really, hire someone. You know what I mean? Um so that that's basically what it did. They already, but it's just that we are busy with things that we can let go of and it will still be okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

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SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yeah, so this is actually really timely because I have two rooms coming up. One is Beyonce's Lemonade album, and then the other room, it happens to be on my birthday, which is uh September 27th, we're doing The Miss Education of Lauren Hill. And I'm gonna talk about that album because the title of the journal that I use in the listening room, so people get a chance to jot their thoughts down while they're listening, which leads up to our guided reflection, so people can organize their thoughts and have something constructive to say if they choose to. But the title of the journal is Unlearned. And what I find very fascinating about Lauren Hill's album is she's walking us through what she was told was the right way to be. And I think this comes to a culmination, regardless of how you feel about pro-life or pro-choice. That's not what I'm on right now. She talks about in her song Zion, Lauren baby, use your head. You essentially, you don't need this baby right now. It's gonna interrupt your career. You could be so much better if you didn't have this child. And for many families, without judgment, this is what they would tell their daughters. You're on the precipice of an amazing career. We don't need anything dragging us down. This baby is a drag. For her, the unlearning of, well, that something about that doesn't fit with my spirit. Something about that doesn't work for me. And I'm not saying that other women that make other decisions, you gotta honor who you are. And sometimes you gotta learn how to do that in painful situations. So, what we are going to sit with is this story of this beautiful woman at a time when she was confused but had to unlearn. The album is about the unlearning of the education she received. And oftentimes the education we receive is to keep us status quo, keep us even killed. Do what everybody else is doing, blend in, be essentially like vanish if you do what everybody else is doing. Don't be yourself. As we sit with that, the challenge is what is calling you, what's gnawing at you, that you distract with more responsibility, that you distract with being needed, that you distract with being, well, that's my identity. I'm supposed to be the woman in the family that da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Well, let that go. No, no, no. Uh well, okay, um, well, who else is gonna do it? I had an area manager back in my retail uh store days when I was an area manager or what when I was a store manager at the time, he would tell us, his name was Brian Burgoyne, rest in peace, brother. He would say, stick your hand in a bucket of water and pull it out and see how big of a hole it leaves. The point is, is that life will figure life out. You're not that important, even though you're very important. But what's important about us is finding what we're called to do on a deep level and then rally the community around whatever it is we're trying to form in us. That's one of my questions in Beyonce's album on her last song, Formation. My journal question there is what's being formed in you? What are you being called to format, bring into formation? Not another corporate, again, I'm not knocking that, I've been there, but not another corporate job where you're a part of this bigger capitalistic system to go do the thing that causes you to be stressed out and go climb. You're gonna be stressed out anyway. But at the same time, we're creatives. Humans build things. We're not just maintainers, we're not just managing assets, we're not just, you know, we're that's not what we're called to do. We're called to play, form things, build things, rally community. And anything absent of that, it's a dysregulated existence that is not fair to the human because we've built a system around predictability. Tell me your forecast. What do you what do you what do you think this thing can build for us? What much money do you think we can make here? Well, I'm glad you asked. I have it all outlined. Here's our forecast. Here's the thing, not knocking it, but we're addicted to that. We're addicted to the certain thing. And a part of being human is bringing community in so we can walk out on faith, so we can do this. Like, all right, hey, I got an idea. You want to try it? Okay, cool. You feel the same thing too? Well, you know, once I put all that noise down, I realize I'm a lot more capable than just this title says I am. But the titles give us certainty, structure gives us abilities to be able to predict things, and that there's something that is seducing about that to the human nature, and we have to be aware of that, pause it, reset, spend some time with self and integrate truly what is you, being you. And the Misseducation of Lauren Hill album does a wonderful job unpacking that with some great music, but there's a message there that you know, the music and the dancing and the moving, and like, oh, this is my cut. It can distract us. But she's telling us the whole time. She only needs to do that one time. She got one album, and her next album, Unplugged That one's beautiful. But this one album, I think six, seven Brammy Awards, there's something there. And we're gonna use that to unpack a greater story and take our lessons from our queen and go unlearn some things in our own life that need to be challenged, that need a mirror. Not that you're broken or you're doing anything wrong. Slow down though. Listen. Because people have heard this album hundreds and hundreds of times, but they haven't listened to it, they heard it. But when I bring people into a room, quiet, absent of distraction, it's a different experience and it's powerful. So, anyway, that's my two cents again. Maybe it's three cents this time.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

We're getting close to a buck. But I I love what you I love what you bring here, the uh the adjust. And I think Adeza can appreciate it too. Because as I'm listening, what I'm hearing is that we can we can help each other, male or female, man or woman, come together and look at things differently as far as finding solutions. So we know that we know the moms of the world are very busy, right? We know they're very busy, we know they have a lot on their plate. But then when you talk about time for you to delegate, right? Well, who do you delegate to? Maybe the challenge is who do you delegate to? Because back when we had multi-generation living, you could delegate to auntie, cousin, whoever, right? But when you're solo, you get addicted to doing a thing by yourself, and or you don't think about delegation because it's not a it's not a it's not a skills or habits you've built. So, how can we get back to the skills of delegating and finding people to build a community around a day to delegate the things that make us so busy? Because what is making you busy? Maybe the thing that you maybe maybe you like the attention and therefore keep doing. The thing gets you the attention, but therefore it makes you too busy. But what can you take off your plate or teach women to take off their place so they can be less busy so they can have more time to listen?

SPEAKER_03 44:09

I'm gonna say, I think where my journey of you know letting you go started was um I had my existential crisis at some point. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. Oh my goodness. So I always knew what I wanted to do, even as a kid. Like I could tell you what was gonna happen in the next five, 10 years because I had it all planned out. You know, like Joshua said, I had it all planned out, right? My corporate career, I knew what it was gonna be. I had it all planned out. And then I woke up one day and I realized that everything I had planned out, everything I wanted, I did not want anymore. And it really scared me because I'd never not been sure of anything in my whole entire life. Like I tell people I'm a risk manager at work, but I also risk manage my life. I have contingencies for contingencies. Like it was just like that terrible. So anyway, I tried everything that I knew, and it was during COVID, so I went to this virtual conference that normally would have been in person, but because it was COVID, it was virtual, and they're having this conversation and talking about having a coach. I was like, what is that? So it got me thinking, okay, I think I need someone. So I end up two of the women I met there, I interviewed them, I like one of them, and we started working together. But my thing was like, I was like, Yeah, I'm here for you to tell me how to get to this next level that I want to get to because that's what I'm here about. Well, two weeks in, African Menistem was born, and I basically told her, This is not why I came here. I told myself when I was in elementary school, I'll never be an entrepreneur, so you're wrong. So let's start again and let's do this. Anyway, one of the things that she taught me to do was she was like, You are not, as a human being, you're here to be, do, and have. She's like, You're not a human doing, you're a human being. First of all, I felt attacked, you know. But that was where it just all started. So I had to tell myself, you're a human being. What does that even mean to be? I didn't know what it meant to be. Be what? What I would mean. Because I kept saying things like, I'm I was busy, I had young kids, I was busy. She was like, So, what do you like doing? I kept telling her what I like doing for other people. She was like, No, no, no. Everything you're saying, you're you're telling me what you want to do for other people, why you want to work with other people, but you haven't told me what you want to do for yourself. That was really hard for me. But anyway, I had to learn to be. So I think for me, what I'm gonna encourage women to do, first of all, you have to just learn to be. I think if you learn to be, that's the that's the foundation. It's one of the hardest things to do. Because it can't just be, you know, we have to be doing something, but if you learn to be, and it's not that hard. One thing she told me, for example, I was like, she was like, What would you love to do? I was like, just I just want quiet, you just want to sit by myself because I did that a lot as a kid. I could read for 12 hours, like just be by myself in a corner and just read. And then also learn to do little things for yourself. So, like I said earlier, I just wanted to have enough time to just relax and do nothing for hours. But now I'm perfectly okay with just having five minutes where I sit by myself and do the exact same things I would have loved to do if I had a whole weekend or a whole week to do. So learn to be and find small moments every day or once a week or whatever to begin to leave the things that you're looking forward to doing or leaving, you know, when everything is perfect. Because this is never going to be perfect.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

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SPEAKER_01 47:45

Yeah, no, I was listening to a Daisy, and just this the spirit of the conversation today, it reminds me of a uh book that I read uh by Christopher Ryan called Civilized to Death. And the um many of the arguments that he makes in the book, he uh he talks about the conditions that we that we call progress have also pulled us away from the conditions that humans much maybe more better adapted for. So, for example, close community, shared ritual, multi-generational living, right? Where in our families were all together for longer periods of time versus what we have today, where it's all about get them to 18, move out, be on your own, figure it out. But we've been adapted, we've we've survived, we've thrived in spaces that were close, shared ritual, being embodied, doing meaningful work because it contributed to a larger good for a direct need of your community, right? There was less hierarchy. And so he argues that modern life can produce extreme versions of loneliness, anxiety, disconnection. And so we live a very fragmented existence today. And just to borrow an analogy from the gym, if you're getting ready to do a one rep max, you have to recruit all like then use the bench press for example. You're getting ready, like, oh man, I'm about to do 315. Well, you got to recruit more muscles. Literally, your whole body is lifting, not just your chest or your pectorals, to be able to do the best effort that you can give that particular thing at that moment. So applying that logic to our family life, to our work life. Oftentimes we spend time blaming, man, I'm not good enough. So-and-so, I saw her on social media, she said, do X, Y, Z over this amount of time, and then you're gonna get an outcome, and then you can be just like me. I have three babies. My husband's off at work, and look at what I'm doing. So they're building a whole identity online that appears to be, well, man, let me follow her. She's got the secret sauce. Let me follow him because he said to be an alpha male, I need to drink this amount of, I need to have this amount of protein and then take these pills because that's gonna boost my testosterone. And then as I get older, my sexual organs are gonna be, you know, working just as great as I was when I was 25, and then I'll be da-da-da-da-da-da. And we're always looking for someone to tell us an answer, but we rarely critique the system of things. And so what's valuable really about you know, even this experience that I'm building in the listening room is I'm combining attention, music, ritual, being in solitude within community. You're not isolated, but you're having a conversation with yourself to reset and reestablish how much we need each other on a human level. But I'm competing against a society in a world that tells you if you can appear that you can do it all by yourself without help. Oh god, you made it. You're gonna be, you're that person. It's a double-edged sword because the hyper-individualistic world that we live in causes us to abandon community, even though we desperately need it. Like everything we talked about. I need to find somebody with resources. Well, if you can't clean your house, pay someone. Look at everything that used to be communal, we've built a business around. Well, we can have somebody come and watch your kids, we can have somebody clean your house. Oh, you need somebody to drive you somewhere, we can pay for that. Again, none of this is like there's no judgment around you. But we we gotta slow down and pay attention to what we've built around us that has us. Well, if I gotta pay for the the nanny, somebody asked me, like, Joshua, you probably guys need an on-pair, somebody that lives with you that can move the kids around, and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like, Yeah, and I said, That's so crazy. We gotta pay for everything that just used to be in our community, right? Because our values have changed on what we believe is a meaningful life. You have a choice to continue to accept that or not, and it's gonna come with some adjustments. I love what a daisy said about I got everything I wanted, and then like, why did I want this? Did I was this my wanting? Did somebody tell me to want this? Right? That's that unlearning process. So I'm not amazed when I see people that ascend to the heights of corporate America and they quit and move to some island and just be like, I'm just one with the sun, the moon, and the earth. Like, I get it, you know. So, anyways, uh that's my four cents on that. I'm trying to get to 50 cents, trying to get to 50 cent. But that's my four cents.

SPEAKER_03 52:30

I think of that. I think of 50 cents right now.

SPEAKER_00 52:35

No, I still I love this. We gotta we gotta wrap because I know we got time. But I love everything you put out there, Josh and the Daisy, as far as what you're sharing. You know, when you when you guys was expressing and and sharing your your monologue a little bit, and I was thinking about how difficult it is for us to to like listen to long form. You know, they don't want a long form thing to listen to, they want it very short. And I realized what it does to you when you do the short form versus the long form. Because when somebody shows up on social media, give you a three to five minute clip or something, whatever, right? You don't see the probably talking about the journey of struggle. You want to see the outcome, the product. And you missed, you missed the whole thing because you don't want you want to skip the long form. The long form is what teach you the thing you need you need to be taught. So when I'm hearing, like, man, I'm stressed on this, and then I'm like, well, guess what? Maybe sometime you need to slow down and listen and get experience a long form. So you can like, oh, I'm not gonna get tricked by this, I'm not gonna chase this thing because I learned that, hey, it's gonna cause you some pain to get to this level. And the the folks that market to you and their marketing is good and it tricking the thing, and it's gonna it's only gonna cost you this, and you get into you like, whoa, this what the experience is like, yeah, it is. You just didn't see that because you were chasing short form. So if you're listening, like, well, I can't listen to this for too long because it's too long, it's an hour, it's two hours, man. You're gonna miss the journey. You know, I remember I was watching the last presidential election, because I kind of watched those kind of cycles, and I was no, I was noticing how the the the the candidate that goes on a long podcast and they talk for two or three hours, and you listen to you, like, wait a minute, now I understand this person. You can't trick me because you know in a in a short thing, they can they can talk about points will get to you. But in the long form, you can like, oh this guy's I can smell this idiot, right? He's full of crap, or they're not. But long form teaches you that, but the short form doesn't. All right, some closing thoughts from um biggest takeaway, a daisy, biggest giveaway you want to push out before we close this conversation up.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

I mean, I'm gonna say, okay, I I didn't really get to talk about what happened last week, but one of the things that came out of that.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Share that, share that, share that.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

Okay, so last week I went to a conference in Boston. It was a women's summit, and it was around engine investing. A friend invited me, and I went there because I'm like, I need to get to network and meet people within this crowd. It was incredible. There was so much learning around money, around how to raise money, around alternative ways of raising money, around women's mindset. Because this was for women. Like one of the things, for example, they had brought up was you know, there's the there's what they call a donor advice fund because I had a we had two friends there. Actually, three friends were there, but two of them. One wrote a book, and she was when she was doing her research for the book, you know, people most of these people that have old money, the dynamic is that the man invests, the woman uh does the philanthropy. She's like a woman that will give away $100,000 will not invest a thousand dollars because she doesn't trust herself to invest. And if she invests a thousand dollars and loses it, she'll beat herself up for the rest of her life. So that's why, as a woman, you're having a hard time raising money and you go to another woman and she's not gonna help you because she doesn't trust herself to or she doesn't want to fail, or there's this level of perfectionism, but she can give away. So now the donor advice funds an opportunity since they're used to giving, you're gonna give it away anyway and get whatever benefits, and then you can now direct those funds to be invested in for-profit companies because for-profit companies cannot take donations. But from the advice fund, you can invest in their business, you can give the working capital alone. There, there are you know companies that do that that in the interminary or something like that, and then so many other things. So when we're leaving, there were two other black women there. When I was leaving, I saw one of them. She asked me, she was like, What do you think of the event? I was like, It was incredible because you know, I made I met a lot of people, I learned so much, and I'm already thinking of how I'm gonna share this information. And she's like, It's great, but it just helped, it makes her think. Because this woman, for context, she's been working with her husband to help train black people to learn about engine investment and all of that for several years. But she's like, every time it almost it's almost like there's still so much more to do. Like, what are we even doing? It's almost like we're excluded from all this information. But what I told her was like, listen, if you if I think about it that way, it's gonna be really hard to function. So what I do is when I learn something, that is my day one. I don't worry about shoulda, woulda, coulda, didn't uh, because it's never gonna work. That was me before. I used to coulda, woulda, shoulda, and it's not, you know. So now that I know what am I gonna do with it? But it also brought to mind the fact that it seems like the more we do, the more we have to do. Like, we're so out of touch. Because I brought this to my friend when I came back, and she's like, I'm just more confused about this thing. Like, who do I know that has a donor advice phone? Again, back to the fact that your community, this is not normal. Not saying that there's nobody that does it, but I was like, unfortunately, if you're the first, you probably have to start telling people that this is something that you can do, first of all, right? Because our people we give, you know, say if you're from Africa, for example, or anywhere outside of the state, you give money, you give tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to relatives that are just wasted away. But you also will not invest because it's not normal. So it's a matter of mindset. So for me, I just feel like what I'm gonna leave people with is just you have to be open to the fact that something needs to change. You have to forgive yourself for the things that you do not know. You have to go out, go outside of your comfort zone and meet people. This week alone, the amount of information, okay, between this week and last week, the amount of information I got from other people, I was studying my husband, and in a hundred days I will never. So that's why you need to go to go to those spaces where your people are not, but where that information lives. So you can get it and do something with it. So going back to networking, what does that really mean? I mean, be selfish about it, like selfish about getting information because I always go to get information, I get much more than that, right? So I'll just say, um, just get just as comfortable, step outside of your comfort zone and forgive yourself for the things that you do not know. Um, just be curious and be willing to just realize that you can actually make a difference going forward.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

I love that. I appreciate it. And I wrote down giving versus investing. Women love to give, men love to invest. We have mastered that side, but I think we need to share the same skill set that we've built over time and get women into a lot more investing and also a man into a lot more giving because we gotta both they both need it, but as far as the mindset piece of that, that's interesting to kind of kind of hear a little bit. Um, Josh, what's your biggest takeaway and giveaway?

SPEAKER_01 58:53

Yeah, I think uh just from our conversation today, and beautiful to sit with some other chocolate folks and talk about how dope our chocolate is.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 59:03

You know what I mean? So uh, you know, but I think I I know I've I believe we've optimized our life for speed, for access, for convenience and for and for productivity. But some of our capacities make us human require the opposite conditions, like time, sustained attention, reflection, and meaningful connection. And a part of what makes us human is our ability to be in community, regardless of what company or what leader you are. It requires staying with something long enough to see it produce fruit. And so the more practical question to be thinking about is what human capacities do we need to deliberately reintroduce to our modern life because our environment no longer naturally provides it, right? And it's seeking out places that we can be attentive, we can be reflective, we can integrate and be in community because really, without it, we become such a how hollow version of what this human design is meant to be. And we got to find that, especially nowadays, it's a job to find a job, it's a job to find community. It's it's there's a, you know, there's a part of us that has to endure what it even means to be what used to be plentifully available because we've almost said, yeah, Joshua, what you're talking about, all those soft skills and being in community and slowing down. We don't have time for that. And you know, so it just becomes this thing where how are we going to actively work against this thing that we definitely need as humans? And we need to be able to find other humans that are willing to do the work, to be in community, to be connected, to be reflective, because that's ultimately our gift. It's not to be this augmented, fragmented person that's indebted to so many different things in our society. We are a community to come together, truly come together, but we got to slow down and do that, and we have to make that a priority. That has to become priority number one. So that's my two cents on that again.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

All right, I think we have 60 now. Okay, we got the 50 cents. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

Thank you, brother. Next week, next week we're going for a dollar.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

Maybe we're going for a buck. Yeah, there let's go. But uh no, I I like I like that closing part about the soft skills because I was talking to one of my um cohort leaders around the soft skills. I was like, soft skills are very needed these days. Because a lot of what we're doing now is like you can automate so many things, but now community requires soft skills. Like if you used to be a social butterfly, you need you need and you end up being a social caterpillar, you need to go back to being a social butterfly because you need the soft skills, right? Because that's what a community is built around, is that soft skill. And if you don't have it, people are not gonna stay around, they're gonna walk away. And while people are scared to go in community because they like the soft skills, because that's what you need in a community to build a relationship you need soft skills. And if you don't have it, you're gonna feel it. Because people can smell when you when you don't have it. All right, team was a break today. We're gonna see, we're gonna see what this uh where this lands with the folks that's listening. If you're listening to us, reach out and let us know what you think. And definitely uh share the conversation, share what matters to you from this moment of conversation here with Josh and Adeze. We don't have Dr. Renish, Dr. Renish this week. She's uh she's traveling, but we should have her next week. Hopefully, we can see her schedule, but definitely have the conversation going with the chocolate family, so to speak. With that, make it a utterly, utterly fantastic day.